Retrieving multiple SRT redirects

[ArchiePittsburgh]

I've been using this system recently to retrieve hardware from their anchor points. It's pretty simple and can be used with a basal or canopy anchor. Is there another way to retrieve more than one hardware redirect?
There's room to improve-if the side of the redirect towards the canopy anchor was midline attachable with a smaller opening (such as a quickie or like the HCP shown) a throwball could be used to lift up if it were to get stuck on the way down. A second throw line could also be utilized if need be.
In a real canopy there will be limbs beneath the TIP that would help to control lowering hardware. This often times creates a "basket" that is then totally under control.
Looking forward to hearing feedback and recommendations for improvement, thanks!

 

[SoftBankHawks]

Do you use it for de-rigging while in the tree too?
I guess I dont get it, Archie, you are knot blocking on a small ring and using load sharing mechanical re-directs. Are you concerned about rope and cambium damage? Could you give more back ground on how you came to find and use this set-up?
Thanks.

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

This is for climbing, and I'm using the alpine butterfly with the fimblsaver as my TIP. You could actually use a cinching canopy TIP as well (although this would add more friction), or you could use this with a basal anchor. Usually, if you wanted to redirect your climbing line while in a canopy you could either:
A) install a redirect with some sort of hardware, descend to work a spot, then ascend back up to manually retrieve your redirect,
B) put your hitch system through a natural redirect (adds more friction which limits number of times you can redirect),
C) install a single redirect using hardware that is retrievable from the ground (usually using a retrieval ball of some sort), possibly combined with natural crotches but with no more than one set of hardware, or
D) set a redirect within the canopy that can be retrieved within the canopy or remotely with the use of a second line or tail.
(I may be missing another method but these are the most common I believe)

This method of retrieval allows you to set more than one midline attachable redirects anchored in the canopy (as many as friction will allow, which is probably more than someone would actually want to utilize), and then they can be retrieved remotely from the ground. There's no need to pass the whole system through a natural crotch, and a simple i2i with a carabiner in each end is now retrievable from the ground.
In addition, they can be lowered with varying degrees of control to the ground (depending on if there are any branches beneath the anchor points [usually are] and depending on the amount of thought put in).
As with anything, this isn't for use all the time and has its place. Sorry if this short video did not clarify all of this, it was put together a bit hastily but it shows the basic concept. Thanks for the input!

 

[SoftBankHawks]

Sorry Archie, when I said I didn't get it I meant I didn't get your reasoning for using this as a ground retrieving system, I understand the (ABCD) re-direct ideas and your video set-up, thank you anyway for re-clarifying.
For me, aerial retrieve of re-directs and TIP are important so I tend to think along those lines, I have no need for installing 2 or more load sharing re-directs for ground retrieve, perhaps throwing tail is more appealing though I applaud your efforts.
Here is a challenge: create 2 non-load sharing re-directs (mechanical or natural) that can be retrieved aerially and on the ground.

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

Thanks for the clarification Hawks, I've thought about our discussion and think it may be a difference in how you and I approach/climb a tree.
I've only used a redirect retrievable from within the canopy a handful of times. For myself, it seems almost always more productive for me to set a static redirect, descend for my work, and then ascend back up to remove the static redirect. I understand that it takes more effort, but for the sake of time (which our work day revolves around), this has been the case for me, as well as a few fellow arborists a I've talked to. My favorite in-canopy redirect that I've found so far has been the Sisk redirect that Derrick Martin has shared-although it still requires the use of either the tail of your climbing line or a second line.
I find myself utilizing redirects that can be retrieved from the ground often, but it may just be my style of climbing that lends to that. I'll work canopies in sections, and it's nice to be able to quickly set an anchor with minimal gear (just the addition of a throw weight) without redirecting the tail of my line and the whole hitch system as well through a natural crotch (saves time as well) and then just retrieve and safely lower every anchor point once I'm on the ground.
Load sharing and non-load sharing redirects both have their place in the canopy. I don't know of any other way to retrieve more than one redirect simultaneously (load sharing or non-load sharing) which is why I initially shared this. I'll be sure to let you know if I find an answer to your challenge friend, thanks for your response

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Generally I use one (midline attachable and recoverable, Omni Block and Revolver) for the first redirect, gets me to a side or quarter of the tree I want or pulls co-dom stems together to load share. (Some variables there).
On Bight Redirect for the small stuff as I go or DdRT tail or my long lanyard if I'm using it.
Configuration vary depending on base or cinch canopy anchor, always done now with a Singing Tree Quickie.

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

Generally I use one (midline attachable and recoverable, Omni Block and Revolver) for the first redirect, gets me to a side or quarter of the tree I want or pulls co-dom stems together to load share. (Some variables there).
On Bight Redirect for the small stuff as I go or DdRT tail or my long lanyard if I'm using it.
Configuration vary depending on base or cinch canopy anchor, always done now with a Singing Tree Quickie.

I used to do something similar-after my initial TIP I'd set static redirects as needed, then the last one would be retrievable from the ground, like your omni combo, since before this method of retrieval I was only able to retrieve one redirect from the ground.
Now with this method, I can set a few retrievable ones and don't need to collect the static ones as I did before. Another benefit is this makes any rated i2i cord and two carabiners retrievable, so it's relatively inexpensive and most climbers are going to have everything involved already.
Of course this isn't how I climb every tree, but it opens up options that weren't available before

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

I've been using this system recently to retrieve hardware from their anchor points. It's pretty simple and can be used with a basal or canopy anchor. Is there another way to retrieve more than one hardware redirect?
There's room to improve-if the side of the redirect towards the canopy anchor was midline attachable with a smaller opening (such as a quickie or like the HCP shown) a throwball could be used to lift up if it were to get stuck on the way down. A second throw line could also be utilized if need be.
In a real canopy there will be limbs beneath the TIP that would help to control lowering hardware. This often times creates a "basket" that is then totally under control.
Looking forward to hearing feedback and recommendations for improvement, thanks!

Clever Archie, thanks.

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

Clever Archie, thanks.

Thanks (Richard?), the concept began when I started to focus on finding a different way to control hardware down out of an anchor so PPE wasn't getting bombed out of trees.
This video was just an introduction, I've developed the idea a bit further and when I have a minute I'll put it together in another video. I'm sure people such as yourself will find better ways to use it than I have as well.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Thanks (Richard?

Yep, I do like Doug's/Svern/previous DdRT setup with the DMM micro biner. Little throw line girthed to the end on retrieval to be nice to it.
This is cool too and getting multiple is a nice direction to figure out.

Richard

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Tried this a few years ago, ended up using it with quicklinks to avoid rope on rope. Not really applicable for anything but working you way thru the canopy.

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

Interesting. I'm working on something somewhat similar, will share when I get it dialed in, but essentially it's a quick way to advance an SRT line using a hank with two carabiners on either end and a floating one in between. Planning on spending some time on it this weekend, will see how it goes.
I've watched so many videos from all you guys, it's nice to be able to contribute for once

 

[JakeRiggs]

Nice...Keep at it...use as many redirects as you mother lovin want. That's a cool retrievable there.

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

Nice...Keep at it...use as many redirects as you mother lovin want. That's a cool retrievable there.

Thanks bro! Gotta love the mother lovin redirects...hope you can get some benefit from it. You going to be at the Penn-Del symposium?

 

[CanadianStan]

Really cool idea actually, I was just pondering over multiple mechanical redirects the other day with TreeStuff / ABR's new retrievable redirect release. Still new to SRT really, I'm still retrieving static redirects from within the canopy at the moment.

 

[JakeRiggs]

Thanks bro! Gotta love the mother lovin redirects...hope you can get some benefit from it. You going to be at the Penn-Del symposium?

Unsure about it at the moment it'll come down to that week if I'm going or not.

 

[macswan]

I've been using this system recently to retrieve hardware from their anchor points. It's pretty simple and can be used with a basal or canopy anchor. Is there another way to retrieve more than one hardware redirect?
There's room to improve-if the side of the redirect towards the canopy anchor was midline attachable with a smaller opening (such as a quickie or like the HCP shown) a throwball could be used to lift up if it were to get stuck on the way down. A second throw line could also be utilized if need be.
In a real canopy there will be limbs beneath the TIP that would help to control lowering hardware. This often times creates a "basket" that is then totally under control.
Looking forward to hearing feedback and recommendations for improvement, thanks!

That is pretty slick.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Maybe we can go to Russia and get some nesting doll like redirects!

 

[oceans]

I've been using this system recently to retrieve hardware from their anchor points. It's pretty simple and can be used with a basal or canopy anchor. Is there another way to retrieve more than one hardware redirect?
There's room to improve-if the side of the redirect towards the canopy anchor was midline attachable with a smaller opening (such as a quickie or like the HCP shown) a throwball could be used to lift up if it were to get stuck on the way down. A second throw line could also be utilized if need be.
In a real canopy there will be limbs beneath the TIP that would help to control lowering hardware. This often times creates a "basket" that is then totally under control.
Looking forward to hearing feedback and recommendations for improvement, thanks!

Archie, great to see you posting up your ideas here on the Buzz! How's life in them hills treating you?

 

[ArchiePittsburgh]

Archie, great to see you posting up your ideas here on the Buzz! How's life in them hills treating you?

Good to hear from you Whip! Nice to be able to contribute for once. Good and busy out here, been a weird winter/spring but plenty of opportunity to improve my ability in inclement weather. How're things up in Mass?

Looking forward to getting together again, let me know anytime you're going to be through the area. I'm heading to the Charlotte comp then Key West in May, need to see how my vacation days stack up but still want to come up your way!